MetaNews Xtra – Aussie Special

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On the 27th of June 2009, we held a discussion of the recent controversy revolving around a piece of Australian legislation proposed by Stephen Conroy.

Participants in this Episode:

Abraxxas Twine
Arabella Steadham
Vercetti Hofman
Krull Quar
Sasy Scarborough
Yoshimi Yoshikawa
Crap Mariner
Stuart Warf
Malburns Writer
Danny Dwyer
Huntress Catteneo

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The transcript  from the discussion is available after the break.

Transcript

[16:02]  Rails Bailey: blazed without aussie america would be blind in the siuthern hemisphere

[16:02]  Elladria Emerald: why would ausstrailia ban sl?

[16:02]  Rails Bailey: so lets kick out the yankies from aussie, how does that sound

[16:02]  Blazed Undercity: does SL need oz. (rephrased)

[16:02]  Beacon Becloud: we’ll find out what’s going on

[16:03]  Sean Martin: Treet.tv is based there

[16:03]  Blazed Undercity: its sad they are doing it, but they elected em

[16:03]  Vercetti Hofmann: my my

[16:03]  Vercetti Hofmann: look what i got for xmas

[16:03]  Blazed Undercity: you get what you vote for.

[16:03]  Lias Leandros: Oz is the start of the moral feeding frenzy

[16:03]  Widget Whiteberry: is there confimation for this rumor?

[16:03]  Beacon Becloud: over here Sweet

[16:03]  Vercetti Hofmann: did it come early this year?

[16:03]  Vercetti Hofmann: lol

[16:03]  Arabella Steadham: I’ve only seen ‘gossip’ sites talking about this, I think its all a funny rumour on a quiet day

[16:03]  MountainLion Shinn: oh , god

[16:03]  Elladria Emerald: we may not like it but it’s there government

[16:03]  Blazed Undercity: http://www.neoseeker.com/news/11116-aussie-gov-still-seeking-ban-on-unrated-online-games/

[16:03]  Blazed Undercity: widget

[16:03]  MountainLion Shinn: its funny

[16:03]  Sosweet Telling: well this is a good as it gets for sitting

[16:03]  MountainLion Shinn: govs. wanna ban games

[16:03]  Blazed Undercity: it is, aussies are very funny ppls

[16:03]  Arabella Steadham: exactly, a gossip site

[16:04]  MountainLion Shinn: while they sent out men to war

[16:04]  Blazed Undercity: just google (news) australia video games

[16:04]  Trevortwo Allen: lots of bussiness are based in aussie that use SL

[16:04]  Crap Mariner: I’m not seeing any sign of Wiz or his 10 billion alts…

[16:04]  Sosweet Telling: do we really need make believe?

[16:04]  Sean Martin: If they ban SL they should ban the internet all together. Its not much different.

[16:04]  Elladria Emerald: we is this thing gonna start?

[16:04]  Sosweet Telling: i hope we do.

[16:05]  Blazed Undercity: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/web-filters-to-censor-video-games-20090625-cxrx.html

[16:05]  Blazed Undercity: sydney morning herald

[16:05]  Huntress Catteneo: lol get what you vote for, bush was not voted in…

[16:05]  Sean Martin: lol

[16:05]  Xadie Katscher: There’s been talk down there for 18 months about doing this… the tabloid media just recently picked up on it, though. It’s still nothing entirely definite, and when/if it does actually go into effect… well, the more technologically inclined of the aussies will still be able to get around it.

[16:05]  Arabella Steadham: SMH quotes yet another gossip site

[16:05]  Trevortwo Allen: yes we can

[16:06]  Trevortwo Allen: but a bit of stuffing around

[16:06]  Blazed Undercity: okay, so if its on a gossip site, must be fake?

[16:06]  Arabella Steadham: Sweet do you think you could move? your tail is tickling my nose

[16:06]  Vercetti Hofmann: fake

[16:06]  Vercetti Hofmann: not nessiscarily

[16:06]  Vercetti Hofmann: highly unlikely?

[16:06]  Vercetti Hofmann: yes

[16:06]  Arabella Steadham: it does not give it truth automatically either

[16:06]  Stuart Warf: Hey All, We will be starting in a few minutes, just getting everything setup here.

[16:06]  Xadie Katscher: Not necessarily fake…. but they are blowing the situation out of proportion a bit.

[16:06]  Sean Martin: gossip site… like fox?

[16:07]  Nika Dreamscape: I have invited Saffia Widdershins of Designing Worlds/Prim Perfect Magazine. i think she’ll be along shortly

[16:07]  Widget Whiteberry: Still Conservative discomfort with SL is not surpising, no matter what the country

[16:07]  Sean Martin: cnn?

[16:07]  Sean Martin: lol

[16:07]  Huntress Catteneo: no gov is trying to ban a great deal of net here

[16:07]  Rosco Teardrop: great to so many other slpn fans here

[16:07]  Sean Martin: or was that nbc

[16:07]  Arabella Steadham: there is too much investment in australia from government agencies, in SL

[16:07]  Vercetti Hofmann: the thing they are not mentioning is that such measurements are nearly impossible to control let stand check if they are being followed

[16:07]  Arabella Steadham: Sweet really, I am allergic to fox arses in my face

[16:07]  Sean Martin: yeah

[16:08]  Crap Mariner: Widget – It’s coming from both sides of the political spectrum. Religious conservatives trying to legislate morality and Far-leftists trying to “protect children” through progressive-fascism.

[16:08]  Vercetti Hofmann: so without any technical information on how they would think to deal with the issue its really a balloon going sky high without guidance

[16:08]  Sosweet Telling: sorry, i tried to fix it,

[16:08]  Trevortwo Allen: yes they are

[16:08]  Elladria Emerald: arabella give it a rest this is secind life no one is allergic to anything

[16:08]  Widget Whiteberry: good point Crap

[16:08]  Sosweet Telling: gee i did not see you yil just now

[16:08]  Arabella Steadham: oh but I am Elladria

[16:08]  Widget Whiteberry: and there there are the legislators that just do’nt have a clue

[16:08]  Rails Bailey: Im allergic to bullshit

[16:08]  Sosweet Telling: my deepest apologies

[16:08]  Crap Mariner: In this case, it’s religious right-winger Catholic legislator who went from backbencher in a shadow government to the minister by mistake.

[16:08]  Huntress Catteneo: not hard to control when the one major company that controls the telecomunication lines into Aus is largely gov owned

[16:08]  Xadie Katscher: Sosweet, the seat behind me is empty, if you’re still trying to rez

[16:08]  Lias Leandros: So just act like it is not happening and soldier on with the Hippie Ideal – I do nto think that will be effective in the long run

[16:09]  Vercetti Hofmann: the only way one can come to understanding if one tries to grasp the concept of the other party

[16:09]  Elladria Emerald: only if have found a reaction script forit whih i find highly unlikly

[16:09]  RobertSteven Smythe: when are we going to start

[16:09]  Crap Mariner: The dangers of political coalitions and giving out ministries to activists of any sort.

[16:09]  Vercetti Hofmann: if their main goal is to protect minors from inapproriate content

[16:09]  Crap Mariner: R7 – very soon. Waitng on some panelists.

[16:09]  Blazed Undercity: Vercetti- thats parents job, not govt

[16:09]  Vercetti Hofmann: thats not really true

[16:10]  Beacon Becloud: who’s speaking so I can adjust my setting?

[16:10]  Widget Whiteberry: where will the panelists sit?

[16:10]  Trevortwo Allen: yes it is the parents job

[16:10]  Blazed Undercity: you want govt to protect our kids, stop sending em to endless wars

[16:10]  Vercetti Hofmann: the gov also ensures you are safe “till a certain extend” that yo ucan drive safely

[16:10]  Vercetti Hofmann: by ensuring proper infrastructure

[16:10]  MountainLion Shinn: yes

[16:10]  Vercetti Hofmann: thereby also providing safety

[16:10]  MountainLion Shinn: lol

[16:10]  Blazed Undercity: but if the aussies want to have big govt let em

[16:10]  Vercetti Hofmann: not to mention schooling

[16:10]  Lias Leandros: Do the politicos have any real concerns?

[16:11]  Widget Whiteberry hopes she doesn’t have to move

[16:11]  Doctor Gascoigne: Thank you all for being here I would like to just make mention this is a PG event and please try and keep your comments to the PG rating thank you

[16:11]  Elladria Emerald: why do we have to safeguard everything i mean come on this is the adult panel children are NNNNOOOOTTTT allowed here so what do we have to worry about

[16:11]  Vercetti Hofmann: good one there Elladria

[16:11]  Elladria Emerald: well not here here ahh you know what i mean

[16:12]  Widget Whiteberry: Is our chat monitored?

[16:12]  Widget Whiteberry: I thought the LL attorney was clear they are not interested in ephemera

[16:12]  Yxes Delacroix: Widget, we are on a PG sim, so, Please, no swearing, etc,

[16:12]  Twinkles Thibedeau: apologies.

[16:13]  Widget Whiteberry: Yxes, I never* swear in open chat

[16:13]  Elladria Emerald: nor do i but still

[16:13]  Widget Whiteberry: although I do sometimes spit

[16:13]  Nika Dreamscape: lol

[16:13]  Yxes Delacroix: hehehe… cool, Widget! heheeh

[16:13]  Rails Bailey: does that mean that as an aussie i cnat exercise my aussie right and say what I want, damn

[16:14]  Trevortwo Allen: how do i send this address out in im to the rest of austrians on line

[16:14]  Cherrie Latte: I dont see any empty seats:((

[16:14]  Widget Whiteberry: twitter

[16:14]  Crap Mariner: send out http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Cryo/156/232/23

[16:14]  Elladria Emerald: there are a couple over here

[16:14]  Widget Whiteberry: I see 6 seats empty

[16:14]  Vercetti Hofmann: there are a few free seats cherrie

[16:14]  Sean Martin: i see 6 but i might not be rezing people

[16:14]  Huntress Catteneo: will there be a transscript of this later, I am meant to be at a wedding in 15min

[16:14]  Vercetti Hofmann: in front of me

[16:14]  Nika Dreamscape: I will give up my seat and stand in the back, because I may have to afk on and off

[16:15]  Vercetti Hofmann: Rails

[16:15]  Vercetti Hofmann: havin some company eh

[16:15]  Vercetti Hofmann:

[16:15]  Elladria Emerald: when will this begin

[16:15]  Trevortwo Allen: just sent it tall aussies

[16:16]  RobertSteven Smythe: they will probably stop sl in Australia before this starts

[16:16]  Huntur Moore: at least we get to listen to classical pink floyd while we wait

[16:16]  RobertSteven Smythe: so there will be no need for a discussion

[16:16]  Vercetti Hofmann: i disagree

[16:16]  Vercetti Hofmann:

[16:16]  Sean Martin: lol

[16:16]  Kianeira MacDiarmid: Is this a radio show? or just text chat?

[16:16]  Widget Whiteberry: there are great censorship issues at play here

[16:17]  Vercetti Hofmann: i agree

[16:17]  Sasy Scarborough: hello all

[16:17]  Huntur Moore: enable your voice chat Kianeria

[16:17]  Crap Mariner: It will be over voice. Some panelists are very late, but I think Stu is starting soon.

[16:17]  Huntress Catteneo: myself and friends have been part of a couple of lobby groups for months

[16:17]  Nika Dreamscape: hi Sasy

[16:17]  Kianeira MacDiarmid: Thank you, Crap Mariner

[16:17]  Krull Quar: There are some amazing artists from Australia I would hate to lose them

[16:17]  Lias Leandros: oh voice – isa it over a URL also outside SL?

[16:17]  Arabella Steadham: you won’t lose them

[16:17]  Widget Whiteberry: please announce your name in text before speaking

[16:18]  Widget Whiteberry: so we can find and check your levels

[16:18]  Elladria Emerald: how can you be late when you telaport everywhere unless there is some major script lag or network issues which is a high possibility

[16:18]  Crap Mariner: ok

[16:19]  Huntress Catteneo: do we have to have to have voice on?

[16:19]  Lias Leandros: yes Huntress

[16:19]  Widget Whiteberry: Stuart Warf and Crap Mariner are/were speaking

[16:19]  Sean Martin: yah

[16:19]  Sasy Scarborough: yes Huntress

[16:19]  Lias Leandros: sadly laggy SL voice

[16:19]  Huntress Catteneo: oh rats

[16:21]  Arabella Steadham: Show me where this is stated by the Australian Government, that virtual worlds will be banned, I only see gossip sites stating it

[16:21]  Crap Mariner: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/web-filters-to-censor-video-games-20090625-cxrx.html

[16:21]  Arabella Steadham: that is a newspaper

[16:22]  Arabella Steadham: he is Labour yes

[16:22]  Arabella Steadham: I am Australian, i know the politics there

[16:23]  Phenicia Gravois: who’s running the meeting?

[16:23]  Krull Quar: Are they going to ban nintendo and other violent games as well?

[16:23]  Widget Whiteberry: or an attempt to use children as the excuse to shut down the flow of ideas

[16:23]  Widget Whiteberry: among adults

[16:23]  Phenicia Gravois: just internet filtering

[16:23]  Sean Martin: lol online only

[16:23]  Krull Quar: Yes but those system consoles can also go online

[16:24]  Sasy Scarborough: but why is it saying we are a game

[16:24]  Ashia Tomsen: it has nothing to do with the kids, srsly I’m Aussie too

[16:24]  Phenicia Gravois: it is the internet they want to filter

[16:24]  Crap Mariner: go for it

[16:24]  Widget Whiteberry: Arabella Steadham is speaking

[16:24]  Phenicia Gravois: lots of websites we will no longer be able to access

[16:24]  Sasy Scarborough: who is an aussie by the way

[16:24]  Phenicia Gravois: ok

[16:24]  Sasy Scarborough is one

[16:24]  Phenicia Gravois: i am

[16:25]  Trevortwo Allen: i am

[16:25]  Sasy Scarborough: telstra

[16:25]  Huntress Catteneo: Get Up Australia and the Sex Party have been lobbying for over a year

[16:25]  Sosweet Telling: interesting viewpoint!

[16:25]  Sasy Scarborough: we also have unmetered because of that thank god

[16:25]  Abraxxas Twine: used to be called telecom

[16:26]  Widget Whiteberry: Sasy Scarborough is speaking

[16:26]  Huntress Catteneo: It is not just about games

[16:27]  Widget Whiteberry: who is speaking now?

[16:27]  Huntress Catteneo: it is about the sex sites etc as well

[16:27]  Yxes Delacroix: Please state your name before you start speaking. thank you

[16:27]  Widget Whiteberry: Vercetti Hofman is speaking

[16:27]  Sasy Scarborough: sorry all i have seen so far is saying games

[16:27]  Krull Quar: SL is not a game it’s an environment

[16:27]  Phenicia Gravois: they want to filter out any adult content website… not just games

[16:27]  Nika Dreamscape: Vercetti Hofmann was speaking

[16:27]  typote Beck: Hello , i am french is the australian government controlling the internet in Australia ?

[16:27]  Sean Martin: yeah but tell that to certain people and they just laugh lol

[16:27]  Phenicia Gravois: not yet typote

[16:27]  BooBear Braveheart: you are “contributing”, Arabella

[16:27]  Phenicia Gravois: but they are trying to restrict which websites we can access

[16:28]  Sasy Scarborough: which means people that dont know will just group us with them

[16:28]  sylian Sommerstein: hello

[16:28]  Sasy Scarborough: it does

[16:28]  Sean Martin: I’d have to agree with Arabella

[16:28]  Huntress Catteneo: no been over a year with all this but gov has been doing it very quietly, parties such as Get Up Aus and the Sex party have been lobbying this for a long time

[16:28]  Yxes Delacroix: great point, Arabella

[16:28]  Stuart Warf: sure

[16:28]  sylian Sommerstein: hello

[16:28]  BooBear Braveheart: Hi, sylian

[16:28]  sylian Sommerstein: hello

[16:28]  Yoshimi Yoshikawa: may I in?

[16:28]  Crap Mariner: A Request: When you speak, please type out your name as well so people will know who you are.

[16:28]  BooBear Braveheart: name plz?

[16:28]  Krull Quar: As a Canadian I support my Australian cousins whole heartedly

[16:28]  Nika Dreamscape: Abraxxas Twine is speaking

[16:28]  Widget Whiteberry: who are you??

[16:28]  beladona Memorial: could who are speaking identify themselves?

[16:29]  Elladria Emerald: this is not a game it is a social i agree with arabella

[16:29]  Huntress Catteneo: gov has been issuing policies

[16:29]  Widget Whiteberry: Identify yourselves in text so we can up your levels and hear you

[16:29]  Sasy Scarborough: agrees, with that i almost had a heart attack getting those Ims the other day

[16:29]  sylian Sommerstein: is alcholic group

[16:29]  sylian Sommerstein: ?

[16:29]  Nika Dreamscape: Sylian, this is a panel discussion about the possible Australian ban of SL

[16:29]  BooBear Braveheart: Stuart there

[16:30]  Abraxxas Twine: where are these policies documented?

[16:30]  Phenicia Gravois: i go to my local library and it has very strict filtering policies but i can access SL and WOW from their computers

[16:30]  Abraxxas Twine: a website we can look at?

[16:30]  Nika Dreamscape: Roamie, if you open the active speakers panel, you can turn the slider up on the person speaking to hear better

[16:30]  Huntress Catteneo: other than saterlite, there is one entry point of communication into Aus, so not that hard to control

[16:30]  Sasy Scarborough: me talking

[16:31]  Doctor Gascoigne: http://www.inquisitr.com/27288/confirmed-second-life-online-adult-games-to-banned-outright-in-australia/

[16:31]  beladona Memorial: thank you Doctor — I was looking too

[16:32]  Sean Martin: just the rumors proves to me that people won’t stand for it.

[16:32]  Huntress Catteneo: Has been underway over a year

[16:32]  Abraxxas Twine: typical….the rest of the world always slurs Aus

[16:32]  Sasy Scarborough: right

[16:32]  Phenicia Gravois: they have though… a proposal has been written and put to parliament

[16:32]  Huntress Catteneo: look us groups like GetUp and SexParty

[16:32]  sylian Sommerstein: hi

[16:33]  Sasy Scarborough: Ashia go knock on her door

[16:33]  Roamie Mimulus: I CANT SEE ANYTHING HAPPENING IN THE NEAR FUTURE

[16:33]  Rails Bailey: Rails Bailey

[16:33]  Widget Whiteberry: we need to distinguish between ‘games’ and ‘gamers’

[16:33]  Roamie Mimulus: ITS ALL CRAP

[16:33]  Yxes Delacroix: Bravo~

[16:33]  typote Beck: There is a new law in France called Hadopi which is trying to control internet too, in the pretext to defend the illegal music download, governments are afraid of the liberty of expression

[16:34]  beladona Memorial looks at Crap inquiringly

[16:34]  Abraxxas Twine: its all about the pg ratings etc….the teen SL I can understand maybe being a PG rating….but what about the adult bit??…the goverment can suck eggs…I will just reroute my servers like I do now with my radio station…they goes via the US

[16:34]  Elladria Emerald: the probability for austrailia actually following through with this is slim but still it may happen

[16:34]  Crap Mariner: (and people think i just follow israeli political campaigns

[16:35]  Huntress Catteneo: All this was also covered on Insight a few months ago

[16:35]  Sasy Scarborough: good point

[16:35]  Ashia Tomsen: indeed it wont

[16:35]  Abraxxas Twine: does anyone actually have a website link showing the actual proposed goverment intervention?

[16:36]  Sasy Scarborough: go Arabella

[16:36]  Elladria Emerald: go ara

[16:36]  beladona Memorial: welcome back Arabella

[16:36]  Gramma Fiddlesticks: this is a blog from anohter Aussie long time SL member. Her thoughts: http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2009/06/25/could-australia-be-barred-from-second-life-access/

[16:36]  Huntress Catteneo: Look up past Insight episodes for Insight on SBS for this issue as well

[16:37]  Rails Bailey: minister@dbcde.gov.au – conroys email address

[16:37]  Twinkles Thibedeau: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/UNSWLRS/2009/7.html

[16:38]  Beacon Becloud: if I may ask- basically then all of this is due to the recent decision to merge the teen grid here in the adult grid and there being a new censorship program in Australia to protect the children on the internet there?

[16:38]  beladona Memorial: it sounds to me as tho it may have been proposed — but lots of things get proposed, neh?

[16:38]  Huntress Catteneo: the gov will never mention all the individual sites etc it would take too much

[16:39]  Arabella Steadham: they do mention all things banned Huntress, it would be names

[16:39]  Huntress Catteneo: in burried pappers yes

[16:39]  Beacon Becloud: is this a banning for everyone or just for the children in Australia?

[16:39]  Huntress Catteneo: all

[16:39]  Beacon Becloud: well that is ridiculous

[16:40]  Beacon Becloud: yes for sure

[16:40]  Nika Dreamscape: lol

[16:40]  AgileBill Firehawk: lol!

[16:40]  Doctor Gascoigne: I bet cable television is not as regulated

[16:40]  Kianeira MacDiarmid: SL is not just a game, and we are not cartoons; we are human beings.

[16:40]  Huntress Catteneo: petitions out there already

[16:40]  Sean Martin: If you show a financial gain from SL they might see it differently.

[16:40]  Beacon Becloud: virtual worlds are the future – if they ban Second Life there are many others out there

[16:40]  Widget Whiteberry: someone might contact legal affairs of the big Aussie companies who have an interest

[16:40]  Rails Bailey: email the minister direct – minister@dbcde.gov.au

[16:40]  Bevan Whitfield: it’s not a game – it’s 3D internet

[16:40]  Sean Martin: yah

[16:41]  Doctor Gascoigne: http://www.nocleanfeed.com

[16:41]  Sasy Scarborough: sorry it was more being upset im 37 and they are telling me i cant log into something coz of content

[16:41]  Sean Martin: LL won’t classify it lol

[16:41]  Doctor Gascoigne: thats the web page to protest the issue

[16:41]  Huntress Catteneo: Gov deliberately do not rate some things to sneaky ban

[16:41]  JohnGalt Gravois: Does anyone know how much of SL is honestly adult themed, or material?

[16:41]  Sean Martin: yah

[16:41]  Elladria Emerald: it’s not rated because there is not classification sl is a thing of it’s own

[16:41]  Beacon Becloud: in order to censor something it has to be classified

[16:41]  Doctor Gascoigne: that is not a firm plan as of yet

[16:41]  JohnGalt Gravois: what percentage of people are here for mature themes?

[16:42]  Bevan Whitfield: (do you have any stats on what they did in the late 90’s re the Internet?)

[16:42]  Huntress Catteneo: many movies are not allowed to be shown here every year because Gov will not classify

[16:42]  Doctor Gascoigne: Bevan it was expensive and so were computers and there was not wide access to the internet in the 90’s

[16:42]  Beacon Becloud: I find the ones who want to see Second Life as a game are the ones who don’t want to be held accountable for what they do here

[16:42]  Beacon Becloud: lol

[16:42]  beladona Memorial: that is an interesting POV Beacon

[16:43]  Elladria Emerald: it is not a game just like in real life it is filled with games but is not a game it is litterally a SECOND life for people

[16:43]  Widget Whiteberry: Are Main and Teen being joined?

[16:43]  beladona Memorial: already doing it

[16:43]  Elladria Emerald: at least from my point of veiw

[16:43]  Bevan Whitfield: yes but did the govt say anything re the Internet circa late 90s re the Internet??

[16:43]  beladona Memorial: it is in place with the new viewer

[16:43]  Xadie Katscher: Age verification has already been out for nearly a year now, and it’s required to access the Adult continent and Adult rated private sims.

[16:44]  Sean Martin: yeah teen will be mainland from what i gather.

[16:44]  Kianeira MacDiarmid: I would like to know why they have made a name on the new continent a reference to the female pubic area if they want to be taken seriously for education and nonprofits.

[16:44]  Sean Martin: eventually

[16:44]  Janice Decosta: linden lab should cancel teen-sl. it is more bd then the noral slhere.

[16:44]  Bevan Whitfield: which govt agency took care of the ISPs circa late 90s re the Internet?

[16:44]  Ashia Tomsen: wb Sasy

[16:45]  Sasy Scarborough: ty

[16:45]  Kianeira MacDiarmid: Parents need to pay attention to their children; not government.

[16:45]  JohnGalt Gravois: They’ve done it becuase – while they hope to be taken seriously – SL is still very-much a red light district

[16:45]  Sean Martin: yah it just helps but doesn’t solve it

[16:45]  Huntress Catteneo: http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet/442

[16:45]  JohnGalt Gravois: The money comes from adult themes. And, as long as that is seen as the primary venture, being taken seriously will never happen

[16:45]  Xadie Katscher: Mature rated sims will still be accessible by non-age-verified residents, age verification only applies to Adult sims.

[16:46]  Bevan Whitfield: ok how will they deal with the thousands of web based 3D world browers happening NOW?

[16:47]  Twinkles Thibedeau: Isn’t the problem the decision to Filter at the ISP level? http://screencast.com/t/lJ98zSDMCj

[16:47]  Bevan Whitfield: blue mars, twinity, metaplace,

[16:47]  JohnGalt Gravois: I’m talking of mature themes – which are ‘adult’, no matter where they take place

[16:47]  typote Beck: Don’t you think the governments just want to control the exchanges of people, what we say and think. The problem of sex is just a pretext ? Is the australian government very conservative ?

[16:47]  Alexander9 Carver: i was a tg resident ounce. the tg ecnomy is dead

[16:48]  Sasy Scarborough: but how much fraud is going on on this grid coz kids are using their parents credit cards to buy stuff

[16:48]  JohnGalt Gravois: Id think very little

[16:48]  Sean Martin: From what i gather the teen grid is being taken down. Their merging it with main grid as the Mainland which is why their making mainald PG only.

[16:48]  Kianeira MacDiarmid: If government gets there toe in the door it won’t be long before they are in our SL beds with us.

[16:48]  Bevan Whitfield: oh like kids aren’t already using parent’s card for internet porn

[16:48]  Sean Martin: lol yah

[16:49]  Sean Martin: we used to need age verification back in 2005

[16:49]  Sean Martin: by cc

[16:49]  Vercetti Hofmann: indeed sean

[16:49]  JohnGalt Gravois: I have a question – what really is the point of our talk today?

[16:49]  Lias Leandros: venting John

[16:49]  Bevan Whitfield: Question : Is Australia going to shut down all ISPs in the country ?

[16:49]  Alexander9 Carver: the teen grid was boring for me

[16:49]  Sasy Scarborough: yes thats how i joined sl

[16:49]  Sean Martin: yah

[16:49]  Arabella Steadham: of course it won’t Bevan

[16:49]  Abraxxas Twine: not shut down filter it

[16:49]  JohnGalt Gravois: Lias – with this may passionate people. why don’t we *do* something?

[16:49]  BooBear Braveheart: it’s just a discussion

[16:50]  Bevan Whitfield: well

[16:50]  Huntress Catteneo: http://www.sexparty.org.au/index.php/videos/269-the-tangled-web

[16:50]  Xadie Katscher: I had a debit card when I was 14, credit card numbers won’t keep teens out.

[16:50]  Beacon Becloud: yes

[16:50]  Lias Leandros: No one is willing to make recessions – so we just sit and wait for the lock

[16:50]  Sean Martin: well they look at the age related to the card

[16:50]  Lias Leandros: IBTL

[16:50]  Abraxxas Twine: unfortunately Telco (the parent company of Telstra) controls our ISP’s entry points

[16:50]  Sean Martin: whatever’s on record

[16:50]  Bevan Whitfield: this is 3d internet and onc again, how did they deal with the Internet in the late 90s

[16:51]  Sasy Scarborough: lol

[16:51]  Doctor Gascoigne: Bevan computers were expensive and internet access was limited and expensive internet was not widely available in the 90’s

[16:51]  Sasy Scarborough: right

[16:51]  Lias Leandros: You all can bounce off my compuer server for a small fee

[16:51]  Sean Martin: lol

[16:52]  Vercetti Hofmann: rofl

[16:52]  Doctor Gascoigne: http://www.nocleanfeed.com the petition

[16:52]  Bevan Whitfield: ok so Doctor you are saying that they govt re internet only started NOW to get upset?

[16:52]  Doctor Gascoigne: the govt will get into your daily life if you let it

[16:53]  Huntress Catteneo: My exhit here shows how it helps mentally ill in rl

[16:53]  Yxes Delacroix: If you have any URLs of aussie bloggers that cover this, and have not yet posted the links, Please post it here, in open chat. I am compiling a notecard with all of the links. thx

[16:53]  Sasy Scarborough: my daily life is SL

[16:53]  Krull Quar: My AV is an Australian Product

[16:53]  Doctor Gascoigne: it is up to you to use your power as a citizen to bring pressure to bear with elected officials

[16:53]  Kianeira MacDiarmid: Think about when smoking was first banned on flights under 2 hours long. It wasn’t long before smoking was banned on all flights. Government takes over inch by inch.

[16:54]  Alexander9 Carver: i dont think the rl goverment should get involved with sl

[16:54]  Bevan Whitfield: yes cigarettes and the internet

[16:54]  Crap Mariner: (my microphone locked up, so i’m unable to Voice…. but can listen. if there are others with views on this with working Voice, please type your name in chat and request to speak.)

[16:54]  Lias Leandros: Thast hat I was saying – Australis is the pioneer on this – other countries will follow

[16:54]  Kianeira MacDiarmid: http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/05/11/congress-awaits-ftc-report-explicit-content-virtual-worlds

[16:54]  Elladria Emerald: this world is supposed to be a free one and for government’s to take away that freedom is to me wrong to a point we should censor things but by now we have crossed the line i am in full favor of this patision

[16:54]  Doctor Gascoigne: not apples to apples smoking to internet

[16:54]  Sasy Scarborough: it is , i agree with Arabella, SL is all i do

[16:55]  Widget Whiteberry: good talking point

[16:55]  Nina Lancaster: claps

[16:55]  Bevan Whitfield: no China is already banning t he Internet – think Iraq tried as well?

[16:55]  Widget Whiteberry: SL vs F2F

[16:55]  Nina Lancaster: hear here

[16:55]  Huntress Catteneo: if our Gov does manage to say no Aus here, does sl then stop Aus to honour their decision?

[16:55]  Widget Whiteberry would like to speak

[16:55]  Doctor Gascoigne: China limits allowed sites through their state internet provider which is google

[16:55]  Kianeira MacDiarmid: Doctor, it is an example of how the government takes over something in small increments so you don’t object too much until it’s too late.

[16:55]  Rails Bailey: one aspect you are all forgetting is, the discrimination aspect, by banning sl in aussie, the government is discriminating against the disabled, who get a sense of freedom from using sl,

[16:55]  Alexander9 Carver: but the goverment like austraia goverment shouldnt be allowed to censorship sl or ban sl from there residents

[16:56]  Doctor Gascoigne: if you bring the human aspect to SL for your govt by being the face of SL then you will help “qualify” SL

[16:56]  Doctor Gascoigne: it is up to you to show your support of this community

[16:57]  Elladria Emerald: this is like sim’s online with other people to communicate with you instead ofstupid computers

[16:57]  Elladria Emerald: like it is not the same

[16:57]  Crap Mariner: gender-swaps? robots? HEAVEN FORBID!

[16:57]  Abraxxas Twine: lol

[16:57]  Widget Whiteberry: Consider SL vs F2F rather than SL vs 1L or RL

[16:57]  Yoshimi Yoshikawa: lol

[16:57]  beladona Memorial: furries

[16:57]  Widget Whiteberry: Face to Face is the distinction

[16:57]  Twinkles Thibedeau: Thanks for that share, Kianeira – it is a different aspect, but could be the first intervention in the US by the FTC

[16:58]  Abraxxas Twine: furrys are real????

[16:58]  beladona Memorial: precisely

[16:58]  Abraxxas Twine: wow

[16:58]  Malburns Writer: here puss puss

[16:58]  beladona Memorial: they are great

[16:58]  Abraxxas Twine: LOL

[16:58]  Sasy Scarborough: havent you ever been jumped on by a koala at the twon hall

[16:58]  Sasy Scarborough: town*

[16:58]  Abraxxas Twine: I had a kangy try to hump me once….lol

[16:58]  Widget Whiteberry waves good evening and goes back to work

[16:58]  Ofelia Laval wonders if town drunks count

[16:58]  Twinkles Thibedeau: g’night Widget!

[16:58]  Beacon Becloud: lol Abraxxas

[16:58]  Yxes Delacroix: any other links to

[16:58]  Yxes Delacroix: note?

[16:59]  beladona Memorial: only if they can take their shoes off

[16:59]  Alexander9 Carver: sl is communitie

[16:59]  Huntress Catteneo: this is also a place you can work on rl phobias and socialising issues

[16:59]  Sasy Scarborough: yes very community based

[16:59]  Bevan Whitfield: it’s not a game – it’s 3D internet

[16:59]  Beacon Becloud: I believe we adults wouldn’t want be doing anything here that endangers children

[16:59]  Hotrod Solo: does anyone know if SL is aware of this issue

[16:59]  Beacon Becloud: regardless if their parents are monitoring them or not

[16:59]  beladona Memorial: the SLED grop is

[16:59]  Sasy Scarborough: we will we are aussies

[16:59]  beladona Memorial: *group

[16:59]  Yxes Delacroix: thank you Abraxxas

[16:59]  Huntress Catteneo: I have friends that find flying here etc helps with rl fear

[16:59]  Sasy Scarborough: byes

[16:59]  Crap Mariner salutes

[16:59]  Alexander9 Carver: bye

[16:59]  Malburns Writer: yay – agrees

[17:00]  Huntress Catteneo: also spiders etc

[17:00]  beladona Memorial smiles and waves

[17:00]  Beacon Becloud nods and can relate

[17:00]  Bevan Whitfield: we aren’t here

[17:00]  Alexander9 Carver: i spend most of my time on sl. i have no 1st life

[17:01]  Nina Lancaster: I understand

[17:01]  Beacon Becloud: Second Life has many more pros than cons

[17:01]  Sasy Scarborough: my point was if they take way sl im done

[17:01]  BooBear Braveheart: it’s a form of rehabilitation for you

[17:01]  Huntress Catteneo: then there is those with social probs like Aspergers etc learn how to interact rl here

[17:01]  Yxes Delacroix: how about those with other handicaps? here they can walk, run, fly, do whatever…

[17:01]  Elladria Emerald: this is not a Laughing matter

[17:01]  Yxes Delacroix: this is not a game!

[17:01]  Beacon Becloud: underage children here is one of very few of the bad sides

[17:01]  Beacon Becloud: the govt in Australia needs to hear of all the good here

[17:01]  beladona Memorial: yay

[17:01]  Beacon Becloud: yes it is

[17:01]  Bevan Whitfield: yes it is

[17:01]  Beacon Becloud: oh wow I have to be there greeting people!

[17:01]  Gramma Fiddlesticks: This is a “Place” where people who can NOT be active outside their homes, can come and feel alive again.

[17:02]  Rails Bailey: hence, high-lighting the disabled facet of this decision

[17:02]  beladona Memorial: and some of us — such as widows — come here to interact socially

[17:02]  Yxes Delacroix: and do mention good works like Relay for Life!

[17:02]  Sasy Scarborough: hair fair

[17:02]  BooBear Braveheart: lol

[17:03]  Yxes Delacroix: yes… thanks Crap.

[17:03]  Beacon Becloud: sorry I have to run- have to greet folks at the Helen Keller Day event

[17:03]  Sean Martin: I’d lose havel my market if Treet.tv goes :\

[17:03]  Sean Martin: half*

[17:03]  Elladria Emerald: i am paerson with not much money and i can travel and explore here maybe even dscover the virtuall lost city of atlantis

[17:03]  Sasy Scarborough: bye Beacon

[17:03]  Beacon Becloud: thank you for assembling this meeting

[17:03]  Lias Leandros: bye Beacon

[17:03]  Huntress Catteneo: my exhibit here tries to show people what rl ‘feels’ like for people with mental issues, and then show that sl slowly helps them to work though some stuff so that rl improves

[17:04]  Rails Bailey: queensland Uni

[17:04]  typote Beck: Is there people defending SL in the political people of Australian ?

[17:04]  Nina Lancaster: wow

[17:04]  Bevan Whitfield: hello dirk

[17:04]  beladona Memorial: and there are those of us who are just lonely — find it difficult to find like-minded people. Diversity is more than color, or religion, or sex

[17:04]  Huntress Catteneo: yes but few

[17:04]  Dirk Talamasca: Hiya Bev!

[17:04]  Sasy Scarborough: right even if Big Pond is an embarrasment in SL

[17:04]  Twinkles Thibedeau: That’s a great idea

[17:04]  Sean Martin: yah

[17:04]  Danny Dwyer: no, but as an American, I am actually shocked that for once there is a country actually more represive than us…

[17:05]  Nina Lancaster: what is SL doing about this?

[17:05]  Nina Lancaster: what are the Lindens doing about it?

[17:05]  Doctor Gascoigne: Nina what do you think they should do?

[17:05]  beladona Memorial: bah — they are excellent with org dev and knowledge management! I would love to go there

[17:05]  Yxes Delacroix: all these “non-gamer” uses need to be brought to the officials’ attention, so they can know we are not a playground for “loose moralist fanatics”

[17:05]  Elladria Emerald: i am outta here

[17:06]  Nina Lancaster: shuold go the govemrnt.. it cuts inoto ther profit

[17:06]  Huntress Catteneo: lol

[17:06]  Crap Mariner: All it takes is one yahoo with the wrong ministry portfolio.

[17:06]  Sasy Scarborough: lol we dont think that either

[17:06]  Doctor Gascoigne: thats a great idea

[17:06]  Bevan Whitfield: How will you deal with this information re supression of 3D Internet.

[17:06]  Crap Mariner remembers James Watt running Interior in America.

[17:06]  Nina Lancaster: its a frigging outrage

[17:06]  Ofelia Laval: (opinion) LL can’t do much .. they can’t go against national govt .. they weren’t able to prevent the VAT in EU and really it’s not their role to

[17:06]  Nina Lancaster: and I don’t evne live in Aus

[17:06]  Doctor Gascoigne: we have heavy censorship of TV in the US

[17:06]  Dirk Talamasca: It has to pass legislation first.

[17:06]  Patio Plasma is Offline

[17:06]  Doctor Gascoigne: one at a time please

[17:06]  Huntress Catteneo: we have Hillsong

[17:06]  Rails Bailey: nothing to stop individuals contacting conroy – minister@dbcde.gov.au

[17:06]  Yxes Delacroix: no need to bash anyone

[17:06]  Nina Lancaster: but…. am shocked to the core

[17:06]  Bevan Whitfield: no one is bashing anyone

[17:06]  beladona Memorial: you can have ours

[17:07]  Sasy Scarborough: lol Hillsong i was thinking of them just then

[17:07]  Bevan Whitfield: Australia has always been considered a very forward minded country.

[17:07]  Crap Mariner nods… coalition politics

[17:07]  Huntress Catteneo: Yep I was shocked when Family First got in

[17:07]  Sasy Scarborough: not the same though

[17:07]  Crap Mariner: Similar to Av. Lieberman getting Foreign Ministry in Israel… payoff to your supporters.

[17:07]  Huntress Catteneo: yep

[17:07]  typote Beck: In France we have a conservative government that is trying to control the internet with a law : Hadopi , we must resist everywhere in the world , internet and SL belong to every people

[17:07]  Malburns Writer: ylou also have Rupert Murdock!!!!

[17:08]  Huntress Catteneo: we actually have no right to vote

[17:08]  beladona Memorial: but doesn’t English common lawa provide for personal rights?

[17:08]  Nina Lancaster: constipated… man who makes the rile s

[17:08]  Rails Bailey: faints, numbers can have effects,

[17:08]  Bevan Whitfield: So my question, once again – how will they deal with flat web brower based VW worlds?

[17:08]  Nina Lancaster: rules

[17:08]  Rails Bailey: recalls a dam being built on the franklin once, guess what folks, people gpt that stopped

[17:08]  Throughthesewalls Moody is Offline

[17:09]  Bevan Whitfield: Get rid of one, that pretty much makes the Internet be taken down by one of the most powerful advanced country in the world.

[17:09]  Huntress Catteneo: sites I quoted were not blogs

[17:09]  Yxes Delacroix: has anyone tried to get with the minister of communications, or whomever was named as the author of this?

[17:09]  Huntress Catteneo: *sigh*

[17:10]  Yxes Delacroix: exactly!

[17:10]  Bevan Whitfield: don’t get me started on the UK Guardian

[17:10]  Yxes Delacroix: and Twitter, and Facebook

[17:10]  Vercetti Hofmann: As reported by the Sydney Morning Herald, a spokesman for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy (left) said that the filtering scheme willl apply to downloadable games, Flash games and websites which sell boxed copies of MA-15+ games via mail order

[17:11]  Rails Bailey: ya can jump on me anytime, i bite back

[17:11]  Vercetti Hofmann: exactly

[17:11]  Yxes Delacroix: is the Sydney Morning Herald a “rag paper” now?

[17:11]  Vercetti Hofmann: thats why the media did a good job creating a panic reaction

[17:11]  Sasy Scarborough: but its the weekend maybe thats why

[17:11]  Vercetti Hofmann: leading to this here

[17:12]  Dirk Talamasca: What good is threatening to bite on the Internet?

[17:12]  Sean Martin: your breakin up danny

[17:13]  Bevan Whitfield: Can you blog that so we can do a press release?

[17:13]  Bevan Whitfield: oh yes we do!

[17:13]  Nina Lancaster: night all…. really hope it all works ok…. blessings and love to you xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[17:13]  Doctor Gascoigne: the website is http://www.nocleanfeed.com

[17:13]  Yxes Delacroix: g’night Nina thanks for coming

[17:13]  BooBear Braveheart: g’nite, Nina

[17:13]  Huntress Catteneo: there is also petitions on GetUp and the Sex party sites

[17:14]  Huntress Catteneo: Sex Party is a registered political party

[17:15]  Sean Martin: I think what fuels the fire is the fear that someone with power is trying to pass something that may effect them.

[17:15]  Janice Decosta: i can’t i am not english ^^

[17:15]  BooBear Braveheart: Danny.. you’re late

[17:15]  Sean Martin: it may be indirect but that starts the rumors

[17:16]  Sean Martin: lol

[17:17]  Malburns Writer: http://www.dbcde.gov.au/online-_afety_and_security/cybersafety_plan

[17:18]  beladona Memorial: whoever is talking is way to soft

[17:18]  Janice Decosta: huntress cattaneo

[17:19]  Sasy Scarborough: did someone do a petition blog thing yet ? are you going to take care of that Stuart ?

[17:19]  Stuart Warf: i have a button to the petition on slpodcast.net already Sassy

[17:19]  Sasy Scarborough: ok

[17:20]  Yoshimi Yoshikawa: www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet&id=463

[17:21]  Sasy Scarborough: http://nocleanfeed.com/

[17:21]  Yxes Delacroix: any links that would refer to this issue, this topic that any of you have, please post them in OPEN Chat, so I can add them to the notecard I am compiling.

[17:22]  Huntress Catteneo: shhhhhhh

[17:22]  Huntress Catteneo: all quiet now lol

[17:23]  Sean Martin: lol

[17:23]  Yoshimi Yoshikawa: hehehe well donee HUntress

[17:23]  Twinkles Thibedeau: Thank you for hosting this discussion

[17:23]  Huntress Catteneo: definately I am meant to be running a BBQ at 6 lol

[17:24]  Yxes Delacroix: we will also post the links that were mentioned here on the slpn website too

[17:24]  Yoshimi Yoshikawa: thankyou SLPN people! great of you to host this

[17:24]  PersephoneGea Clary: imao

[17:24]  Huntress Catteneo: thanks

[17:24]  Sean Martin: Thanks Stuart

[17:24]  BooBear Braveheart: thanks for participating…

[17:25]  Sasy Scarborough: thank you all

[17:25]  BooBear Braveheart: you can now empty your buckets of sweat, Stuart

[17:25]  Bonny Greenwood: Ok, I’m just now able to join the chat… this ban… it’s really happening?

[17:26]  Lias Leandros: Linden Lab needs to meet some standards or Australia has to back down off some mandates

[17:26]  Lias Leandros: or it happens

[17:27]  Huntress Catteneo: oh dear I now need a REALLY good gift fo a bride since I just missed her skl wedding

[17:27]  Denise Barom: will this broadcast be available on youtube?

[17:27]  Denise Barom: and if so what time frame?

[17:27]  Bonny Greenwood: I just participated in a cancer relay that raised thousands of US dollars… SL obviously does a LOT of good… can’t someone get this on the news… get some attention brought to it that might help sway the outcome? Clearly, SL isn’t all about X-rated type of things.

[17:28]  Yxes Delacroix: you are very right Bonny

[17:28]  Sean Martin: nah thats not what people want to hear lol

[17:28]  Doctor Gascoigne: thanks everyone for a great panel

[17:28]  Bonny Greenwood: If we can get others to see what we do here.. and that it’s not all about porn and adult content, surely that will help?

[17:28]  Sean Martin: if its not controversial they have no interest it seems

[17:29]  Feenixfire Flasheart: Thank you for bringing this to my attention… Being in the US I was not aware this was happening.

[17:29]  Bonny Greenwood: Then we need to give them a reason to see the usefulness of what we do here.

[17:29]  Danny Dwyer: nika rules!

[17:29]  PersephoneGea Clary: omg omg omg imao

[17:29]  Keif Denimore: lol hello again persephone ;p

[17:30]  Sean Martin waves

[17:30]  Bonny Greenwood: I’m an American who is in the process of moving here to Australia permanently… and I can’t fathom wanting to be here now if this is hte type of dictatorship I will be under.

[17:30]  Sean Martin: gotta tp bye guys.. good convo

[17:30]  PersephoneGea Clary: Keif more more more

[17:30]  Yoshimi Yoshikawa: contoversy sells news, good deeds sadly come after the weather report if you are lucky, but a very good point Bonny

[17:30]  PersephoneGea Clary: happy sl6b

[17:30]  Danny Dwyer: I love all this typing, it sounds like I have termites in my house!

[17:31]  PersephoneGea Clary: Keif .. one little planck time yeah hello again next loltzz

[17:31]  Itazura Radio: You do, Danny. You do.

[17:31]  PersephoneGea Clary:

[17:31]  Keif Denimore: i kind of missed much of teh voice ubuntu and voice is like talking under water so apaert from teh gargling i gather they wnat to ban sl

[17:31]  Bonny Greenwood: This is very sad.

[17:31]  Danny Dwyer: I have a wood house in Florida, of course I do….

[17:32]  Feenixfire Flasheart: Hello and happy 6th SL Bday to everybody, also.

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